The Dream Interview: Joe Knows Rome (March 2007)
When I want to talk Italy, there's no
one I would rather rattle on with than
my friend Joe Brancatelli. As we're both
often traveling or working feverishly on
our writing and businesses, these conversations
are often virtual. Joe loves to
refer to himself as simply "your Average
Joe Business Traveler." That's because in
30 years as a journalist and publications
consultant (he's helped create,
launch or reposition more than 100
newspapers and magazines), he's
"logged countless miles, spent way too
many nights in mediocre hotels, wasted
far too many hours in airline clubs and
drunk far too much bad coffee." He created
Joesentme.com, the exclusive, nononsense,
non-commercial Web site for
business travelers. Members get access
to real-time travel news and advice and
Joe's "tell it like it is" commentary on
life on the road. Something tells me
though that although Joe hems and
haws, he really enjoys all of that business
travel, if only to rack up the airline
miles to take him to his favorite city on
Earth -- Rome. And let me tell you, Joe
knows Rome. When I recently dared to
stay at the Hotel Raphael without consulting
Joe, he scolded me because he
could have saved me a horrible stay if I
had asked his advice. I won't make that
mistake again. I recently caught up with
Joe to pick his brain about the Eternal
City and don't worry, Joe didn't hold
back on his opinions.
DOI: For how many years have you been
visiting Rome and what's the biggest
change since you first visited (besides the
crowds and chain stores)?
JB: The first time I went to Rome was
1994. I actually avoided Italy because I
thought Italy was like the goofy
Italian-American neighborhood where
I grew up in Brooklyn. I figured, why
go there? Needless to say, I was wrong
and I knew it the first afternoon I
walked in Rome. Rather than it being a
clone of my old neighborhood, it was,
of course, nothing like what Italian-
American kids think. And, the more I
go to Italy, the more I learn about how
the mostly Mezzogiorno Italians who
came to America got to be the Italian-
Americans they became.
As for what has changed about Rome
in the subsequent 13 years, well, sadly,
Rome (and most of urban Italy) is
homogenizing. And not because of any
terrible thing that tourists have done.
Young Italians want to be Europeans
and they want for Italy and for Rome
what young Londoners want for
London or young Parisians want for
Paris. Unfortunately, what all young
people want is often the homogenized
modern culture.
A Roman woman I know who spent
about a decade in London is thrilled by
all the Eurostyle bars and nightspots
and restaurants that are popping up in
Rome. That's the stuff I dislike the
most. But she says (in Italian, of
course): Hey, why can't I have what I
had in London. So, sadly, Italy is
becoming part of Europe and that will
drive off some of the things that visitors
like most about Rome: the family
shops run by several generations; the
afternoon closings; the places that
serve regional cuisine; the artisans with
workshops on prime streets; etc.
DOI: I'm often asked my favorite place in Italy and I always say Rome.
I explain it as the combination
of big city vibrancy and
ancient ruins. How do you
put it into words?
JB: Well, first, for me, I
have a unique reason for
loving Rome: It's the only
place in the world where I
worry about neither the
hotels nor the national
flag carrier. After all,
Rome doesn't have truly
great hotels (although
they are improving) and
no one in his or her right
mind would take Alitalia
seriously. So alone among
the places in the world, I
don't feel as if I have to
poke my head into every
hotel and interview all the
airline executives. I can go
to Rome and be a traveler,
a visitor, without feeling
that I have to report on
the lodging and airline
sector for my readers.
Otherwise, though, I love
Rome over every place
else because I'm an urban
kid and Rome is simply a
remarkable urban environment.
There are great
neighborhoods, great museums, great
markets and, despite all the tourists,
you don't feel overwhelmed by the visitors.
When you're in the Campo dei
Fiori or Piazza Navona, there are as
many Romans as visitors. Rome is the
only large city in Italy where the
tourists become part of the streetscape
without dominating it.
DOI: I know that you have some definite
opinions about hotels. Care to share them
with our readers? Maybe two or three to
absolutely consider and two to avoid.
JB: Roman hotels, like
hotels in most Italian
cities, have two problems:
They are in old buildings,
virtually all of them landmarks
of some kind, and
they are staffed by
Italians. Almost all the
Roman hotels I've been in
are workarounds. As
charming as it may be to
stay in a 17th century
palazzo, you wish the
bathroom worked every
day. And Italians, as even
the Italians will tell you,
are wonderfully mercurial.
They are warm and
loving and friendly. But
consistency isn't their
strong suit. So a hotel that
is offering exquisite service
on Sunday morning is
miserable on Monday
morning because (soccer
teams) Lazio or Roma lost
to Juventus. Or because
the head of housekeeping
had an argument with the
family.
Hotels in Rome I like?
Well, if you want to be at
the top of the Spanish
Steps, the Hotel de la Ville
is a good alternative to the
Hassler next door. And if you get a room
with a terrace, you'll get a wonderful
view of the city. And I like the Santa
Chiara, right behind the Pantheon. It's
friendly and less silly than the hotels
around the Piazza della Rotondo. Must to
avoid? Hotel Raphael, mainly because it
is the most erratic hotel in Rome.
Everyone falls in love with the location
and the ivy on the walls, but it's 50-50
that you'll have a miserable stay.
But I know what you want me to say
here: That the best hotels in Rome are
at the airport. And it's true. The Hilton Rome Airport and the Hilton Garden Inn
Rome Airport are new builds, the only
ones built in Rome in a generation. So
that means at least the plumbing and
the electricity work every day.
Needless to say, I don't recommend
people stay at the airport for a visit to
Rome, but I've never recommended
the airport hotels to someone who has
then been disappointed. Having everything
mechanical work as expected in
Italy is an odd pleasure.
DOI: I know you usually rent an apartment.
Can you recommend a good agency
to use and which neighborhoods you favor
(heck, tell us the apartment you love if it is
listed online)?
JB: Well, I think any neighborhood in
centro storico is fabulous. My wife and I
have spent a lot of time in centro and
every cluster of two or three streets is
unique. Every few streets
has its own core of restaurants,
museums, churches,
shops and alimentari, so it's
like a different place. For
me--and this is strictly a
personal choice--the
prime area is the triangle
created by the Ponte
Vittorio Emanuele, the Ponte
Sisto and the Ponte Cavour.
The apartment my wife
and I lived in for six weeks
last year is called Rome is
Home. It's owned by a
wonderful couple who
lived in it until they had a
child and bought a house.
It's the only thing they
rent and it was once their
home, so it was remarkable.
But I also like the
Palazzo Olivia. The owner,
Stefano Sbordoni, converted
his family's place into
seven one- and two-bedroom
apartments. It's perfectly
located, a block from the Piazza
Navona and a half-block from Corso
Vittorio Emanuele.
DOI: Is there a restaurant
you can't wait to go to when
you visit Rome? Can I coax
the name out of you...
JB: Well, you know, my
wife and I have dozens of
favorites, sometimes just
for one dish. But when
pressed, we usually say we
most love the prettiest trattoria
in Rome and the ugliest
one. The prettiest one is
Ciccia Bomba, owned by an antiques
dealer. The food is great, of course,
with a slightly modern twist. The room
is pretty, with lovely, but not fussy,
antiques.
Across the street is Gino e
Pietro, at the corner of Via
del Governo Vecchio and
Vicolo Savelli. It's ugly as
sin--ugly in the way that
your parent's finished
basement used to be--but
the food is wonderful.
And I say they are our
favorites because whenever
my wife and I can't
figure out what to do for
lunch or dinner anywhere
else in the world, one of
us will say, "Well, do you
want Ciccia Bomba or
Gino e Pietro?"
DOI: If folks are seeking a
fancy restaurant for a special
occasion what would
you recommend?
JB: Oooh, that's tough. If
you really want the over-the-
top experience, well,
La Pergola in the Caviliere
Hilton, is remarkable. It's
really special, gastronomically and as
an event. Everyone should do it once.
La Rosetta is a nice room
with marvelous seafood
and a Sicilian touch, but
the prices have run amok. I
mean, they have 42 euros primi
piatti. It takes you back
(and, frankly, turns me off).
I know people say Antico
Arco has become "too
Americanized," but we did
a family dinner there (both
my US family and some
Roman relations) and it
was stupendous. They did
a pasta with fiori di zucca that
was one of the greatest things I have
ever tasted anywhere in the world. Al
Bric is charming and has an unbelievable
wine list.
And here's a place that I have never
seen in any English-language media:
Ristorante Sant'Anna. It's a throwback
to Rome of the 1960s. Only Italian diners
with waiters who know their stuff.
As my wife says, "They make you feel
special." It's not fancy in the formal,
dress-up sense. But I'd bring a party of
favorites there any time and then eat
whatever the waiter suggested.
They've never steered me wrong.
DOI: What mistakes do first-time or
even 4th-time visitors to Rome make that
bug you?
JB: Well, two that make me laugh. The
first one is assuming that everyone in
Rome who is an Italian is a Roman.
Americans forget that Italians come to
Rome on holiday, too. So Americans
are always frustrated when an Italian
in Rome doesn't know how to give
directions or doesn't seem sophisticated.
Well, it's probably because they
aren't Romans. They're Italians from
out-of-town and they are as confused
as you! The other thing: Map folding.
Everyone, even Romans, carry a map.
But Romans (and those of us who
affect Romanism) have their maps
folded into a little square that covers
the neighborhood they are in. Tourists
unfold the entire gigantic map--usually
the one they've gotten from the
tourist office--right there on the street.
Those are the ones I go up to and try to
help because they are obviously lost.
And then there is the mistake too
many people make in too many places:
Going to a city like Rome with a checklist
of "must-see" things. You'll be so
busy checking off the sites you've seen
and the things you've done that you'll
come home remembering nothing. It's
much better to see or do one great
thing and assume you'll get back for
the rest another time. Even if you
never get back, you'll have a real memory,
not a checklist.
DOI: Any places visitor
should skip in terms of sites?
JB: I find the catacombs
boring. The Via Condotti is
kind of dull. And you're
talking to a guy that loves
retail. My dad was a retailer
and I covered retailing
for years as a reporter. But
the shops on the Via
Condotti are the same as
you'll see in any big city.
The Via Veneto is wildly
overrated, too. As Fellini
himself said, the Via
Veneto he portrayed in La
Dolce Vita was an invention.
DOI: What do you think the
most underrated site in Rome
is?
JB: Well, I can think of a
dozen things. But if we're
talking about a site, it's
Castel Sant' Angelo. It's a
remarkable edifice. And
even though it's not
"underrated" in the classic
sense, I am always blown
away by the Pantheon. It is
an astonishing feat. The
more frequently I visit, the
more I am amazed.
DOI: Any other favorites --
private guides, neighborhood
cafe, shopping, etc.
JB: Oh, my, a million
things. I'm a sucker for a
Fiat 500. I'll always stop on
the street and examine
one. Seeing a Cinquecento
on the street makes me
happy--and I'm not even
a car person. I say go into
any market and buy a box
of Gentilini cookies, a local Roman brand. Most people
fall in love with the
Brasil (a chocolate cookie),
but I'm partial to the
Vittorio, a tiny, lemon-flavored
cookie. The café
at the top of the otherwise
horrendous monument to
Vittorio Emanuele II in
Piazza Venezia has an outrageous
view of the city.
Spazio Sette is a great
home-goods shop.
I adore walking along the
Via della Scrofa: I love the
bakery on that street; I
love the fact that there's
still a place that only sells
chickens and eggs; I love
the watch shops; I love
the tavola calda at Volpetti.
I buy ties in a little tie
shop in the Piazza San
Lorenzo in Lucina. I find
the Largo Argentina a miracle.
I always give money
to the cat sanctuary there
and, at the right time of
year, the starlings mass
right about it. My wife
swears by the potpourri
at Santa Maria Novella, a
Florentine firm with a
branch on the Corso
Rinascimento. And this
year she bought me some
of their shaving soap.
Now my face smells like
foccacia after every shave.
And I've learned that you
must look into every window,
through every doorway
and down every
vicolo. The next miracle--
a fresco, a sculpture, a hidden
garden--is just a
peek away.
Joe's Rome Recommendations
APARTMENTS
Palazzo Olivia
Via dei Leutari, 15
One and two bedroom
apartments that sleep up to six
people. Four-night minimum.
Each apartment has satellite
television and a telephone and
is accessible by elevator.
(39) 06 68216986
www.palazzo-olivia.it
Rates: Range from 150 to 295 euros
per night; a 10% supplement
is added during Christmas
and Easter.
Rome is Home
One bedroom apartment on
Via dei Chiavari.The apartment
is on the 4th floor, which is
accessible by an elevator.
www.rome-is-home.com
Rates: Start at 1,400 euros
per week.
DINING
Al Bric
Via del Pellegrino, 51
(39) 06 6879533
www.albric.it
Open daily for dinner and
Sunday for lunch.
Closed August.
Ristorante Antico Arco
Piazzale Aurelio, 7
(39 ) 06 5815274
Dinner only. Closed Sunday.
Ciccia Bomba
Via del Governo Vecchio, 76
(39 ) 06 68802108
Open for lunch Monday
through Sunday and for dinner
Thursday through
Tuesday.
Gino e Pietro
Via Governo Vecchio, 106
(39) 06 686157
Closed Thursday.
La Pergola
Rome Cavalieri Hotel
Via Alberto Cadlolo, 101
(39) 06 35091
www.hilton.com
Open for dinner Tuesday
through Saturday.
Reservations essential. With
three Michelin stars, this is
one of the world's best
restaurants.
La Rosetta
Via della Rosetta, 9
(39) 06 6861002
www.larosetta.com
Open for lunch and dinner
Monday through Saturday.
Reservations essential.
Rome's first restaurant
to serve only seafood.
Ristorante Sant'Anna
Via di S.Anna, 8/9
(39) 06 68307190
www.ristorantesantanna.it
Closed Sunday.
Volpetti alla Scrofa
Via della Scrofa, 31/32
(39) 06 6861940
Rome's famous delicatessen.
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